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Greetings from Los Angeles and welcome back to In the Room. I spent a fair amount of time over the weekend trying to figure out whether Mark Shapiro’s glowing profile in the Journal was intended to set the stage for a promotion inside or outside of Ari Emanuel’s empire. “He’d be a great C.E.O. for Disney,” Steve Bornstein told the paper, presumably striking fear in the hearts of Dana Walden and Josh D’Amaro. In any event, congrats to Mark and whoever managed that piece. I can’t recall any media exec getting press that great since Bob Iger in his first term.

In tonight’s issue, news and notes on the truly god-awful MSNBC rebrand and, more importantly, Mark Lazarus and Rebecca Kutler’s post-spin mission for the soon-to-be-orphaned liberal news and opinion network.

🍸 Plus, on the latest edition of The Grill Room, Mosheh Oinounou joined me to discuss his leap from legacy media to independent journalism and the so-called creator economy via Mo News. We also talked about A.I.’s role in news customization, the potential for future collaborations between independent creators and legacy media, and the challenges at CBS News following the Paramount-Skydance merger. Follow The Grill Room on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you prefer to listen.

Mentioned in this issue: Mark Lazarus, Rebecca Kutler, Jeff Zucker, David Ellison, Stephen Colbert, Guy Campanile, Jimmy Kimmel, Bari Weiss, Ezra Klein, Shari Redstone, Norah O’Donnell, Bill Belichick, Megyn Kelly, and many more…

Let’s get started…

  • A CBS News Scoop: CBS News, the perennial third-place news network now controlled by David Ellison, is losing around $50 million a year, according to two sources familiar with the news division’s finances. The cost burden is especially notable given Paramount’s recent decision to cancel The Late Show With Stephen Colbert on the grounds that the company was losing $40 million a year on the show. Jimmy Kimmel and other critics of that decision have challenged that figure and suggested it only accounts for ad revenue, without factoring in affiliate fees. Network execs would argue that affiliate fees are really driven by live sports and other high-value programs. Arguably, they’re both right, but the comedians aren’t the ones making the fiscal decisions.

    As I wrote last week, David obviously didn’t buy Paramount for CBS News, and he came into this deal with eyes wide open about the decline of broadcast news. He won’t offload the news division, of course, but he certainly isn’t going to tolerate those losses. And despite his paeans to Walter Cronkite and the importance of a free press, he isn’t likely to invest in growing that business, either. The plan, as I’ve noted, is to right-size CBS News, bring down talent salaries, require smaller teams to work on smaller budgets, maybe leverage evergreen 60 Minutes packages on Paramount+, and hopefully lure Bari Weiss into the mix to shake things up a bit. As of this week, the new Paramount front office remains bullish on the Bari deal. We wish them luck!
  • Shari’s version: On a related note, former Paramount owner Shari Redstone has finally given The New York Times’s Jim Stewart the green light to publish her side of the Paramount-Skydance deal saga. Shari, ostensibly a key source in Stewart’s recent and notably Redstone-friendly tome on the Paramount saga, Unscripted: The Epic Battle for a Media Empire and the Redstone Family Legacy, spoke with him on several occasions over the past year “in person and via video calls,” which is cheaper than a therapist. Among the most notable morsels here is Shari’s perspective on Trump’s criticism of CBS News. While Shari “found most of Mr. Trump’s claims about CBS News to be hyperbolic,” Jim wrote, she also thought his “criticism of the news division, and his lawsuit, could be helpful. ‘We needed more balance,’ Ms. Redstone said in an interview. … ‘Part of me thought, maybe Trump could accomplish what I never got done.’” I’d love to know how Bill Owens and the folks at 60 felt about that one!
  • Bye, Guy: Elsewhere in CBS Land, Evening News executive producer Guy Campanile is returning to 60 Minutes after a troubled run at the helm of the beleaguered nightly news broadcast. Of course, the show has hemorrhaged viewers since the network replaced Norah O’Donnell with John Dickerson and Maurice DuBois, which isn’t necessarily his fault. That said, Guy was the subject of several H.R. complaints around what sources described as a blunt and abrasive management style. To wit, sources said that while confirming the news of his move to staff on Monday, he wished “eye cancer on whoever has been leaking to Page Six.” (A CBS News representative declined to comment on Guy or the network’s behalf.)
  • Saatva Strahan: While we’re in TV Land, I can’t help but note The New Yorker’s subtle and somewhat unnecessary dig at Good Morning America’s Michael Strahan, buried deep in Paige Williams’s lengthy article about Bill Belichick and his 24-year-old girlfriend, Jordon Hudson. While recounting Belichick’s remarks to Strahan in a recent interview, Williams dubbed the former Giants defensive end “a down pillow of an interviewer.” Not wrong… but harsh!
  • Starting an Argument: Finally, former Atlantic journalist Jerusalem Demsas has cobbled together a small team of center-left fellow travelers to launch a new publication called The Argument, which hopes to promote a more affirmative liberalism and move the progressive cause beyond Trump-centric fear and loathing. “To move out of this post-liberal, populist moment towards a better future … will require our government, culture, politics, and people to recommit ourselves to liberal values,” Demsas said in a statement. “Persuading people here is not the work of 5,000-word treatises on the importance of liberal democracy or lectures about how bad the post-liberal world order is (we get it and no one cares; see the 2024 election!). It’s going to happen if people are convinced the lives they want—prosperous, safe, and free to live how they want—are best protected under liberalism.”

    On paper, this seems like the natural result of a Petworth book club that downed a little too much Glou Glou while debating the finer points of Ezra Klein’s “abundance liberalism.” (Klein’s Abundance co-author, Derek Thompson, will be among the contributors, as well as friends of Ezra Matt Yglesias and Kyla Scanlon.) But, as Semafor’s Max Tani reports, they’ve raised some capital: $4 million from think tanky groups like Arnold Ventures and Open Philanthropy, plus engaged citizens like Susan Mandel, Gaurav Kapadia, Rachel Pritzker, Simone Coxe, John Wolthuis, and Patrick Collison, as well as a grant from Tyler Cowen’s Emergent Ventures.

    Does the left need another publication? Can you really build a digital opinion network around a single policy philosophy? Is there a business model for subscale, politically polarizing content helmed by non-Klein-type talents? We’ll let the Argument team sort these issues out.

And now, the main event…

Apocalypse MSNOW

Apocalypse MSNOW

The MSNBC rebrand may be puzzling and endlessly mockable, but branding is the least pressing of Versant’s problems. First, they have to figure out how to sustain a profitable news organization without NBC, while gussying up the network for a potential future buyer.

Dylan Byers Dylan Byers

This week, Mark Lazarus, the prospective chief executive of Versant, announced that MSNBC would change its name to My Source News Opinion World, or MSNOW—a rebrand so intrinsically satirizable that, after covering the announcement, media organizations from The New York Times to Variety felt compelled to publish follow-up items about the derision and ridicule it had inspired. In the annals of corporate nomenclature, only Tribune Publishing’s short-lived transformation into “tronc” (yes, all lowercase) could be seen as similarly risible. Critics noted MSNOW’s obvious connotations with multiple sclerosis, the long-defunct HBO Now, a fusion of Ms. magazine and the National Organization for Women, and the frozen water that crystallizes and falls to the ground in winter. As one high-level NBCUniversal insider texted me, “It does seem like an Accenture consultant had a bad day at Sweetgreens and was like, fuck it.”

Alas, there were reasons. Executives at NBCU had decided they did not want their brand, nor NBC News—a nominally down-the-middle broadcast news network—to maintain an affiliation with the avowedly liberal cable network. (Tellingly, NBCU had no qualms about CNBC—officially, the Consumer News and Business Channel—maintaining its farcical acronym.) It thus fell upon Lazarus and MSNBC president Rebecca Kutler to find an alternative. Laz characterized this as “an opportunity to chart our own path forward,” but, from a brand marketing perspective, they’d obviously been dealt a terrible hand.

MSNBC was already a case study in the value of brand consistency. More than a decade earlier, when Microsoft sold its last stake in the network, then-NBCU chief Steve Burke and then-MSNBC president Phil Griffin considered a rebrand that would have abandoned the suddenly obsolete five-letter mashup. But as one source present at the time told me, “Every study we did told us we were out of our mind: You’ve got a great brand, don’t fuck with it.” So the “MS” stuck, despite the network having severed all ties with Microsoft.

Laz and Kutler’s decision followed a similar logic, while also betraying some inconvenient truths about their prospects. Like other cable news networks, MSNBC is a decidedly profitable business, netting what I’m told is north of $500 million in annual profits. The vast majority of its revenue derives from linear carriage fees and advertising, all of which will need to flow inward after the spinoff. In order to maintain that cashflow, MSNBC didn’t want to risk any brand confusion on the channel guide, especially given that more than 90 percent of its audience is AARP-eligible. In essence, Laz and Kutler sacrificed the opportunity for a genuinely bold, future-facing rebrand in order to ensure that octogenarians scrolling through their Spectrum channel guide would still be able to find Lawrence O’Donnell. (“The most important thing to Rebecca was keeping the ‘MS’ in the name,” a source close to Kutler told me.)

On some level, that makes perfect sense: In cable’s post-spin era, almost all networks are going to be milked for cash while the businesses right-size for a smaller and more fiscally responsible digital future. Laz and Kutler would be insane to leave money on the table—especially since they’ll now be footing the bill for their own bureaus, reporters, and newsgathering infrastructure, all of which is going to put a heavy dent in the aforementioned profit margins. On the bright side, I’m told their channel distribution isn’t changing, so at least the channel numbers will stay the same.

Not Exactly a Startup, Dorothy

Still, the rebrand highlights just how beholden the new MSNBC is to a declining business model and, well, the past. So much of the fanfare around the network’s future has centered on it being a “well-funded startup” that could finally reap the rewards of its own profits and invest in new revenue streams: digital, podcasts, live events. As one MSNBC source put it, “We’re not building roller coasters for Universal Studios anymore; we’re investing in TikTok and audio.” And yet, the allegiance to the linear brand is a reminder that the core business remains tethered to an old format. As one NBC source put it, “Nothing about the new name signals ‘startup.’”

Indeed, MSNOW isn’t a startup. It’s a soon-to-be orphaned cable network that hopes to maintain a healthy-enough linear business until Nexstar or Sinclair comes knocking, or until a private equity firm like Apollo takes over and expedites the value extraction. Kutler’s ability to layer a meaningful podcast network or live events business on top of that would be a nice icing on the cake for that prospective buyer—and an opportunity for some good press along the way. But it won’t have any material impact on revenue. Divorcing the company from the mothership merely puts enhanced pressure on the management team to optimize its current assets without the luxury or shielding of a larger parentco.

In fact, MSNOW is going to spend the next two years telling a compelling story about its investments in talent, new products, and new formats, waving a “growth” narrative around the digital business while the linear ATM continues its long grind to a halt. Conceivably, Kutler, a highly competitive programmer and Zucker protégé, is as capable as anyone of telling that story. But it sure is hard to start with a name that reads like a ChatGPT hallucination, and a logo that looks like it was created in MS Paint.

For now, everyone is putting on a brave face—what else is there to do?—but you have to wonder when an inflection point might occur. When will, say, a top talent leave to start their own Megyn Kelly–style media business on the left? Or could Kutler, a natural of the form, succumb to recruitment to run some larger roll-up play at a private equity behemoth? Alas, a bleaker outcome might occur if they don’t. One of the existential challenges of the format is that it is deeply in need of reinvention and notably short of visionaries.

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