Welcome back to What I’m Hearing, delayed until morning because I’ve been running around all week.
I did still manage to see Seinfeld and Seth Rogen’s charity shows, both part of the excellent Netflix Is a Joke fest. though neither was quite as surreal as the Lego competition judged by Chris Rock and Sebastian Maniscalco at Jeffrey Katzenberg’s annual WNDR event in Montecito. (I’ll reveal the A-list winner below…)
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Discussed in this issue: Meryl
Streep, Josh D’Amaro, Justin Bieber, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Asad Ayaz, Karen Bass, Leena Nair, Jon Bernthal, Jensen Huang, Tom Rothman, Ebon Moss-Bachrach, Bob Chapek, Bob Iger, Sean Gamble, Oprah Winfrey, Hugh Johnston, James
Gorman, Dana Walden, Joe Biden, and… Kendrick at Kamp Katzenberg.
Let’s begin…
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Thursday Friday Thoughts…
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- Sony’s
theater plans, detailed: Turns out I gave Sony Pictures’ Tom Rothman a little more credit than he deserved on Monday when I wrote that he’d promised a 120-day window in theaters before Sony movies go to Netflix. He actually wrote in the Times that the window would be “100 to 120 days after
theatrical release,” and I’m told some smaller titles could appear on Netflix after just 90 days. That’s in line with other studios’ S.V.O.D. plans, but many argue that putting movies on the most popular streamer after three months is still training moviegoers to wait. On the P.V.O.D. front, Cinemark C.E.O. Sean Gamble quietly broke the news in his earnings report last week that Sony has fallen in line with other studios and “pledged a minimum of 45 days going forward,” which
Sony confirms is accurate. So as of 2027, all the legacy studios will be at 45 days to P.V.O.D., with 90 days to S.V.O.D. becoming the floor.
- Kendrick at Kamp Katzenberg: So much for the whisper campaign around town that Jeffrey Katzenberg has lost his juice: The former DreamWorks/Quibi mogul and Joe Biden backer, who is mostly sitting out the current L.A. mayoral race after helping Karen Bass win in
2022, assembled an especially impressive guest list for his annual WNDR conference at the Rosewood in Montecito. Dylan Byers revealed the full agenda here (Justin Bieber and Jensen Huang on the same lineup is almost certainly a first), and a source at the event told me that Chanel C.E.O. Leena Nair
grabbed a lot of attention (including from Oprah) for her story of growing up in a small Indian village. Kendrick Lamar snuck in without much fanfare (he stayed for the Bieber performance after dinner), and that star-studded Lego-building contest was won by… Julia Roberts’s table.
- Let the Emmy campaign nonsense begin…: Gotta hand it to the FX team. Dropping a “surprise” episode of The Bear
more than 11 months after Season 4 aired is a genius way to juice TV Academy members just before voting begins. I confirmed that the prequel episode, starring Jon Bernthal and Ebon Moss-Bachrach, will be counted with the rest of Season 4 and eligible for individual awards. The Bear may seem like it’s fallen out of favor with the TV intelligentsia since the record 23 Emmy noms for Season 2, but the show still scored 13 noms for Season 3, and Season 5 is
shot and will air in June, eligible for next year’s Emmys.
- Box office over/under: Warner Bros./New Line’s Mortal Kombat II has been slipping in many tracking services this week. But NRG still has it at $48 million, and I’ll take the under.
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Now for Disney’s first D’Amaro quarter…
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In his first earnings call as C.E.O., D’Amaro dropped a 3,000-word mission statement
preaching A.I., a “One Disney” strategy, and a super-app to end all super-apps. But perhaps what’s most telling is what he glossed over: coming layoffs, the rising costs of sports, and the price for each attempted spin of the Disney flywheel.
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The big win for new Disney C.E.O. Josh D’Amaro in his first earnings call this week has
gotta be the fact that nobody really noticed or cared that it was D’Amaro’s first earnings call. The quarterly numbers were good: Streaming profits shot up by double digits for the first time, Avatar: Fire and Ash and Zootopia 2 juiced studio revenue, and the Trump economy isn’t hitting the parks and cruises too hard. D’Amaro avoided obvious gaffes—nothing remotely as funny/tragic as Bob Chapek
plugging Disneyland’s “Oogie Boogie Bash” as investors gasped over a $1.5 billion loss in streaming—and Josh displayed a confidence that obscured his inexperience, despite the recent dustups over The Bachelorette and Jimmy Kimmel and OpenAI that marred his first two months in the job. D’Amaro even took a question from Rich Greenfield, the
semi-frequent Disney antagonist, who hasn’t been called on in years.
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D’Amaro and C.F.O. Hugh Johnston took a page from Netflix’s “investor letters” and dropped a
surprise, 3,000-word mission statement along with the earnings data, articulating strategies that D’Amaro has talked about before but never this pointedly. Organized around three “pillars,” the manifesto was short on specifics but is essentially a blueprint for how D’Amaro will run things—and at least in the very short term, it seems to have been effective. The Disney stock shot up about 8 percent in two days. Most importantly, nobody even mentioned the words “Bob” or “Iger.”
So let’s
translate what D’Amaro did and didn’t say in introducing his three pillars…
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1. “Investing in I.P. and creativity that breaks
through, builds connections, and endures”
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What he means: Franchises, baby! That’s an obvious goal for any Hollywood studio, of course, but
D’Amaro is articulating a renewed focus on what makes Disney special: content that can become overcrowded theme park lands in Shanghai, or a cute backpack at Target, or a $19 specialty cocktail on the Disney Adventure. Josh may have copied the Netflix earnings-announcement playbook, but he knows that the big differentiator—sorry, the only differentiator at this point—between Disney and Netflix or YouTube or Amazon or any other scaled competitor is the brand and the established
I.P. If there was still any confusion about that, Netflix revealed its enduring envy of Disney by trying to buy Warner Bros.
It’s not an accident that the word “fans” was mentioned 10 separate times in D’Amaro’s manifesto—as in, “We monetize relationships with our worldwide fans” and “Our fans have embraced the story and characters…” Everything, in his mind, is about connecting the consumer to the Disney brand.
I’m sure it’s hard for a career parks guy to look at the film
studio and justify anything that isn’t going to boost the experiential business. You can almost hear him asking why Disney is bothering with Send Help or Whalefall or the entire Searchlight operation. But those singles and doubles boost the subscription streaming business, which grew revenue 13 percent in the second quarter compared to the prior year. Plus, Devil Wears Prada 2, which looks like it’ll end up crossing $600 million worldwide, started as a $35
million-budgeted book adaptation at Fox. But they’re not Toy Story: five movies over 30 years and I.P. that performs everywhere—theaters, Disney+, ABC, parks, cruises, Halloween costumes. And the execution of the movies has not declined during that time. The franchise endures.
What he’s not saying: The costs of all this “endurance” and “connectivity.” Disney routinely spends more than rivals on its I.P. films, a challenge that D’Amaro needs to address head-on if
the new box-office normal is Marvel movies that gross $400 million to $500 million worldwide, and Pixar originals that eke out $350 million. Hoppers is at $370 million worldwide and D’Amaro name-checked it as a “strong example of our focus on original I.P.,” but that’s about what The Good Dinosaur grossed in 2015—$472 million, if adjusted for inflation—and that movie was considered a historic Pixar misfire.
Further, Prada 2 worked because Disney’s top marketer,
Asad Ayaz, treated it like a Marvel movie, with a promo budget of more than $100 million, per two sources. In the end, the box office justified that expense, and there’ll probably be a Prada 3, Meryl willing, but the overall cost for each attempted spin of the Disney flywheel keeps going up. Not great when some of those spins are invariably gonna lead to Eternals or Tron: Ares, which can make nine-figure marketing blitzes look very
stupid, very fast. Other than layoffs to consolidate marketing, D’Amaro hasn’t articulated how to bring those costs down.
The cost burden is even more pronounced in sports, which is the definition of breakthrough content—it’s now the only reliable audience generator in linear TV, not counting the lucrative geriatric fearmongering on Fox News and MS NOW. But in deciding to stay in the linear business, and thus the sports business, D’Amaro is committing Disney to tens of billions
of dollars in rights fees in the coming years. The manifesto specifically calls ESPN “core to our long-term strategy,” a coy play on Iger’s 2023 declaration, later walked back, that the Disney TV networks “may not be core.” A sale of the TV networks would be “highly complex and in our view unlikely to create value for shareholders, especially given where linear networks are valued in today’s marketplace,” D’Amaro wrote. Translation: Plenty of suitors have kicked those tires, and nobody wants
these loser businesses.
But now that he’s sticking with linear, he’s gotta deal with the drag until the streaming side is big enough where it doesn’t matter. Looking ahead to next quarter, D’Amaro predicted the profitability of the ESPN unit would drop 14 percent due to “a double-digit-percentage increase in programming expenses, including the timing of new rights agreements.” That’s the new $2.6 billion-a-year NBA deal, among others. And the NFL is coming for more. Not stated is what
happens if (when?) the cost of ESPN finally outweighs its value to the company.
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2. “Reaching more consumers in more seamless,
engaging ways around the world”
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What he means: “One Disney,” people! It’s everywhere in the D’Amaro messaging… so much so that one
Disney veteran half-jokingly asked if Josh would soon have it emblazoned next to Mickey on the Burbank water tower. He wants a “single, cohesive, and digitally integrated ecosystem,” as he emailed staff back in March—both on the Disney+ interface and in how the company operates.
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Sounds nice, but Disney already promotes its own projects pretty aggressively across platforms. Have you
watched SportsCenter lately? It’s often a series of elaborate plugs for Marvel and Star Wars and lately, Devil Wears Prada 2, a real event for the average sports bloke. Look for parks-oriented content to have a presence at the Disney upfront next week in New York, I’m told. And so on.
Never mind that Disney overcame its kiddie-movie roots and worked so well as a mass-media conglomerate in part because the parks operation stayed away from the movie
people, who let the ABC News team do their thing, and nobody leaned on the Disney brand when it didn’t make sense. That’s the strange thing here: D’Amaro is preaching “One Disney” while also pledging to keep intact all the parts of the company that don’t serve the larger Disney brand: sports (and sports gambling), the FX linear network, the R-rated movies, to name a few. When I talk to longtime Disney people, they’re most skeptical of this “One Disney” goal—“Fantasyland,” one friend at
the studio called it. Another noted that Comcast, with its Symphony program, only marshals the whole company to boost specific projects, like the Olympics or Wicked. D’Amaro wants to Symphony everything.
But “One Disney” does serve as a nice reminder that when a project works, it often works across many different businesses—especially parks. That may be why the messaging is resonating on Wall Street: It’s based on efficiency and execution. In a note yesterday,
Peter Supino, the analyst at Wolfe Research, called D’Amaro “the perfect action hero to convince a generation of skeptical investors that Disney’s 10-year, $60 billion expansion of its experiences segment is a bull case worth their capital.”
What he’s not saying: “One Disney” is also a justification for further layoffs, as it was when “streamlining” the various marketing units claimed hundreds of jobs last month. I’m told more layoffs are coming later this
summer.
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3. “Using advanced technologies to power our
storytelling and increase monetization and returns”
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What he means: A.I. is coming, and fast. This is gonna be the most disruptive aspect of the D’Amaro
agenda. Developing and deploying A.I. across the company’s platforms and animation and effects-heavy studio divisions will be as unpopular as it is necessary to compete with aggressive competitors like Amazon and Netflix, whose roots are up north.
To that end, the collapse of Disney’s partnership with OpenAI is likely a blessing for D’Amaro. The deal opened the door to the technology, and now all the A.I. companies want to work with Disney—hopefully on Disney’s terms. Plus, if the OpenAI
deal that Iger announced in December had worked, Iger would have received all the credit. If it didn’t, D’Amaro would’ve been saddled with the fallout. Now, D’Amaro can forge his own path, either with OpenAI or any number of competitors.
D’Amaro has been pretty open about his plan to elevate Disney+ “beyond a premium streaming video service,” as he writes, and into a hub for all aspects of a customer’s life, from film and TV to user-generated content to socializing to gaming and shopping
and managing vacations. I’m told it was part of his pitch to board chair James Gorman and the C.E.O. search committee. Which makes sense. The biggest companies of the modern era—say, Google and Amazon and Apple—benefit greatly from spokes of businesses that radiate from a core product, like search, shopping, or phones.
In theory, D’Amaro would probably call Disney’s core product its “storytelling.” But, practically speaking, the company will be served well if that core
product is the Disney+ portal. Leveraging Epic Games—whether Disney buys it or just integrates into Fortnite—seems key to that strategy as well. There’s a reason why D’Amaro shifted the games unit into the content group under Dana Walden. On Disney+, if it works properly, everything will be part of a Disney fan’s story.
What he’s not saying: Nobody knows how A.I. and interactivity is gonna play out, of course. Tech goliaths change their goals
and agendas quickly, as Disney learned with OpenAI and Sora, and boosting copyright owners is typically not a priority. Chapek also talked about a “super-app,” and nothing materialized. (Remember when he created a specialized unit to pursue Disney’s place in the “Metaverse”?) Laying out a mission statement is a nice start, and the market seems to be responding, but at some point, D’Amaro will need to do something bold and unexpected to really put his stamp on Disney. And he’s not yet saying what
that might be.
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See you Monday, Matt
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