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Welcome back to What I’m Hearing, a little earlier today so I can properly contribute to my two favorite corporations, the NFL and Fox.
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Welcome back to What I’m Hearing, a little earlier today so I can properly contribute to my two favorite corporations, the NFL and Fox.

Programming notes: On Tuesday, Puck is hosting screening events in NY and LA with Nat Geo’s documentary Oscar nominee, Fire of Love, and the film’s creators. To RSVP, click here. And on Wednesday, I’ll be interviewing Apple TV+ producer and former HBO C.E.O. Richard Plepler at the Digital Content Next summit in Ft. Lauderdale. Say hello if you’re there.

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Discussed in this issue: Shari Redstone, Bob Iger, Raphael Bob-Waksberg, Kathleen Finch, Sydney Holland, Susanna Fogel, Gina Prince-Bythewood, Bozoma Saint John, Anna Marsh, Erik Heywood, Ashley Gamble, and who spent $128,780 in one year at Barneys.

But first…

Who Won the Week: Steve Lipin
Disney C.E.O. Bob Iger would be an obvious pick here for fending off the Nelson Peltz-Ike Perlmutter board seat shakedown, but Iger still has real problems to figure out. So the short-term winner is Lipin, the corporate communications expert Disney brought in specifically to handle Peltz. Mission accomplished.

Runner up: Jamie Lee Curtis, the Oscar contender and former Activia spokesperson, who offered this very endearing pitch at her tribute last night in Santa Barbara: “I’m the only Oscar nominee who has ever sold yogurt that makes you poop.”

Let’s start with the state of indie film in 2023…

A ‘Catastrophic’ Sundance Scenario
Those breathless trade reports from film festivals can make it seem like everything’s a bidding war or a “hot package.” But the indie film market is brutal these days. Consider Cat Person, the comedic thriller based on the New Yorker story, starring CODA breakout Emilia Jones and Succession’s Nicholas Braun. After a splashy Sundance premiere, it’s been presented with some tough choices, according to an email from its sales rep that is circulating around town.

Agents Hildy Gottlieb and Brian Siberell of CAA, which represents Jones and screenwriter Michelle Ashford, sent an email this weekend to sales rep/financier Studiocanal and the co-sales group at UTA, cc-ing Agnes Chu of producer Conde Nast Entertainment and the talent reps, expressing “deep concern” about a Netflix offer for U.S. rights. The move would “certainly not be perceived to be talent-friendly,” and would “greatly diminish its chances to make its intended impact upon audiences, and will unnecessarily harm the reputation of a very fine film.” Talent wanting a theatrical release—that’s not unusual.

But Studiocanal, which says it invested $12 million in Cat Person (another source close to the film says the budget was actually much less), quickly got real with CAA. “Our gap against the U.S. rights is $5 million, and given the catastrophic offers out of Sundance, we are potentially facing our biggest loss in 5 years,” fired back Anna Marsh, deputy C.E.O. of Canal+ Group, Studiocanal’s French parent. Marsh went on to explain that the Netflix offer, $1.75 million for U.S. streaming rights for three years (with the option to find a theatrical distributor elsewhere), is actually better than the offers from traditional distributors Open Road and Bleecker Street, which pledged a minimum guarantee of $1.5 million for a “20+ year license fee, opposing significant fees.” Not great. “To give you an idea, our $5 million U.S. gap would not be reimbursed until the film grosses at least $15 million at the U.S. box office,” Marsh added.

Could Cat Person get there? I saw it at Sundance and enjoyed it; director Susanna Fogel leaned into creepy genre elements that, if marketed properly, could lure a young horror crowd to theaters. But the reviews weren’t great, and at an elevated cost and without bigger stars, it’s a big risk. Marsh even offered CAA, UTA and Conde Nast the opportunity to buy back rights. “If Studiocanal came out whole and our risk profile was improved, then I would be more willing to take the full blown theatrical risk.” That seems unlikely.

Quote of the Week (Les Moonves inebriated edition)…
“On my third vodka and second egg roll. Go time.”
–Moonves, in a text to CBS board member Bruce Gordon, at about 5:40 pm the day before CBS sued in 2018 to block the planned Viacom merger, as reported in the new book Unscripted: The Epic Battle for a Media Empire and the Redstone Family Legacy.

Runner up: “Mattresses tomorrow am. And take the gun. We need it.”
–Moonves, later that same evening, texting his deputy Joe Ianniello with a Godfather reference.

Second runner up: “We need to lay their clowns think early on we are no hardship Barr no and will ill them handcuffs off. If they want to bring it n watch out. We will decimate. Old Sara we haven’t done anything but party with you. Now we will kill Scarw her big. All of them scare them. I am going to prevent this public bulls hit rightbaway. And let’s go after them head on NOW.”
–Still Moonves, now pretty clearly drunk and nearly incoherent, to P.R. chief Gil Schwartz, at 10:36 that same night.

A little more on this…

Shari’s Revenge: 5 Takeaways From the New Redstone Book
I reviewed Unscripted for The Washington Post, about how Shari Redstone wrested Viacom and CBS from the executives (Philippe Dauman and Les Moonves) and girlfriends (Manuela Herzer and Sydney Holland) who encircled Sumner Redstone like well-dressed vultures in the final years of his life. It’s a business book mixed with a telenovela—mostly from the perspective of Shari herself, as my colleague Bill Cohan notes today—and it details one of the wildest boardroom showdowns in media history. I also interviewed the authors, James B. Stewart and Rachel Abrams of the New York Times, for my podcast The Town, to post this week, but in advance, here are 5 big takeaways:

1. The girlfriends got very close to control of CBS and Viacom

“People don’t realize how close they came,” Abrams told me. Herzer and Holland were very nearly added to Sumner’s trust—putting them in direct succession—before Sumner discovered Holland’s simultaneous engagement to an ex-con and wannabe actor named George Pilgrim (who, the book reveals, previously dated Louise Linton, the future Mrs. Trump Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin). “If that hadn’t happened,” Stewart told me, “I believe the women were then on their way to gaining control of CBS and Viacom.”

2. Moonves agonized over suing to block the CBS-Viacom merger

It’s beyond cringey to read how Les maneuvered to keep his transgressions secret, especially schmoozing Marv Dauer, a C-level manager whose actress client was poised to go public. Those texts the night before he sued Shari reveal how torn he was, knowing the merger would dilute his power but also that going to war with Shari could expose his explosive secrets. “I am not up for this,” he texted Schwartz. “I know I had no choice. No options. But this will be more hell.” And nobody knew what Moonves did. “He can’t tell the board that he has sexual assault problems when he’s already denied [it and said] that they have nothing to worry about,” Stewart told me. Fascinating stuff.

3. Shari didn’t blab to Ronan Farrow

I covered this stuff pretty extensively at the time, and I assumed Shari had dumped an oppo file on Ronan Farrow for his New Yorker pieces that exposed Moonves. But no, says Unscripted. “I spent a lot of time and I found not a shred of evidence that it was true,” Abrams told me. Instead, it was women like Bobbie Phillips who came forward, and Moonves was eventually caught using CBS resources to cover it up. He ended up losing $120 million in severance.

4. Shari almost sold her stake for $1 billion

Shari now firmly controls Paramount Global, the family empire. So it’s striking to read that at the height of the girlfriends’ control over Sumner, she couldn’t take any more and began negotiating for her father to buy her out of her 20 percent stake in holding company National Amusements for $1 billion in cash and stock, tax free. It fell apart when Sumner demanded Shari sign away her right to contest gifts or inheritances to the girlfriends. A non-starter, given what she knew was going on at the mansion.

5. Sumner’s ladies could shop

In 2014 alone, Herzer charged to Sumner’s Visa and American Express: $128,780 at Barneys, $82,624 at Hermes, $54,212 at Miu Miu, and $34,147 at Chanel. In one year.

My Reading List
Variable pricing has finally come to movies, sort of, and Peter Kafka argues why AMC’s middle-seat upcharge and the 80 for Brady bargain-bin tickets are ultimately good for the film business. [Vox]

I finally caught up with Bob Iger’s recent appearance on the A16z podcast, taped before he was named C.E.O. He talks at length about how to give notes to creative people, and reveals a couple Pixar movies that never got made. [The A16z podcast]

Peter Chernin, Bela Bajaria, Kathleen Finch, and a dozen of your favorite media executives offered their thoughts on the future of TV that happened to coincide with their own company’s business strategies. [CNBC]

Boz is back! Former Netflix and Endeavor C.M.O. and “bad ass” Instagram influencer Bozoma Saint John has a new memoir and some Beyonce anecdotes. [Information]

Normally I wince when talent complains about being snubbed for awards, but director Gina Prince-Bythewood’s missive on the Oscar shutout of The Woman King is very good. [THR]

Thanks to Ross Douthat, we’ve reached the reflections on the Age of Wokeness portion of the Oscar season. [NY Times]

No, Andrea Riseborough probably won’t win best actress, but the protest vote among Oscar voters is definitely a thing after her campaign was investigated. [LAT]

Now I’ve got labor expert Jonathan Handel on the latest in the maneuvering to avoid a Writers Guild strike, including new details on what the union will demand in the upcoming talks…

What Hollywood’s Writers Actually Want
What Hollywood’s Writers Actually Want
As the WGA consults its angry members on big demands ahead of negotiations, here are the likely theaters of war—and what could drive a walkout.
JONATHAN HANDEL
Confounding expectations, the Director’s Guild told members last week that it would wait until “later this spring” to negotiate new TV and theatrical contracts, which expire June 30. “Later” most likely means the Writers Guild will negotiate first—its contract expires May 1—which increases the likelihood of a WGA strike. The writers are frustrated and united, as they showed in their successful 2018-2020 battle against the talent agencies and at a lively member meeting yesterday that attracted about 500 writers.

Will they strike? Predictions are fraught, but the negotiations will certainly be hard fought. In 2020, the pandemic undercut a walkout threat and, said WGA negotiating committee member Ashley Gable in her 2022 candidate statement, “our most critical issues were left unaddressed until [the 2023] negotiation.”

What are those issues? The WGA declined to say, but members who attended yesterday’s meeting told Puck that wage increases and so-called mini rooms are key concerns. The guild is still formulating its “pattern of demands,” but I developed the following guide based on source interviews, past negotiations, 2020 emails from the guild to members, and the most recent WGA West board and East council candidate statements. Here are the likely theaters of war in advance of talks—and a possible walkout.

Basic Wage Increases: In the last round of triennial negotiations, the WGA received annual wage increases ranging from 1.5 percent to 3 percent. But with 2022’s 6.5 percent growth in consumer prices (and 7 percent the year before), the WGA could seek bumps as high as 15 percent or more in the first year of the new contract (inclusive of catchup payments) and 7 percent or so in years two and three. The guild could also push to index future increases to inflation. As the studios attempt a trifecta—building a profit model for streaming, managing the decline of linear TV, and divining the future of theater-going—substantial wage increases, even if justified by inflation, will be an awfully bitter pill.

And there’s more: in 2020, the guild sought to “substantially” raise minimums for screenwriters and require that streaming movies pay theatrical minimums rather than the lower TV scale—particularly since streaming movies already can pay lower residuals than their cinema counterparts. The precipitous decline of theatrical output since then will only heighten these concerns.

And still more: three years ago, the guild proposed TV “script parity”—standardizing teleplay minimums at the network prime time rate and eliminating lower rates that apply to other platforms and dayparts. The union also sought improvements for staff writers, who don’t get an episodic fee even if they write a script; for writing teams, which are paid the same as individual writers; and for writers of streaming standup and talk shows (“comedy-variety shows” in guild lingo), who are not protected by minimums. Some or all of these issues are likely to reappear.

Mini Rooms: Television mini rooms—small writers rooms that break short-season stories—are becoming the new normal. But Gable called them a “scourge,” and the guild said that “writers are being asked to break an entire season of story in rooms that meet for brief periods of time and pay them only [weekly] scale [and no] episodic fees.” Even many showrunners “find themselves forced to scale because their wages land outside of span protections,” said board and negotiating committee member Travis Donnelly in his candidate statement, referring to contract provisions established in 2017 that provide additional payments to some writer-producers if episodic work expands unreasonably.

Fewer writers, compressed timeframes and lower rates all represent significant savings to studios and streamers—and deny writers their due, said almost every aspirant to the WGAW board. It’s a scorched-earth issue. Said board candidate David Schulner, “Those first weeks in a writer’s room completely shape a series. And that’s worth far more than a weekly minimum.”

A related concern raised at yesterday’s member meeting: since mini rooms often close up shop before pre-production, the disconnect from physical production denies lower- and mid-level writers vital experience—including doing production rewrites and working in post—stunting their opportunities to advance. “Compound this with a rise in ‘director driven’ streaming shows,” said the guild, “and the power and authority of television writers is under significant threat.”

Minimums must increase, said the guild in 2020. Donnelly was more specific: “Every single writer working on an episodic rate must be protected by span. Every writer working on a weekly rate… must be protected by drastically higher minimums.”

Added board member Eric Haywood in his statement, “lower- and mid-level writers [must be allowed] to remain with a show long enough to get that hands-on experience, even in cases where the writers’ room wraps before production begins.” The 1950 classic Sunset Boulevard could frame the writers’ message: We are big; it’s the rooms that got small. It’s not for me to use the dreaded word “dealbreaker,” but this will be a pitched battle.

Residuals: Every above-the-line strike since the founding of the guilds about 90 years ago has centered on residuals. There are hundreds of different residuals formulas, with the rules determined largely by the medium a production was initially made for (theatrical, broadcast TV, premium cable, basic cable, streaming, etc.) and the medium it is being used or reused in (which can be the same as the initial medium or not). The residuals system can be visualized as a grid of about 100 different combinations of made-for and reuse media.

Today, of course, the most intense focus is on streaming. Residuals for originals on Netflix, Hulu and the rest are an annual sum payable as long as the episode or movie stays on the platform. The amount declines year by year and depends on the guild, the program length and the number of domestic subscribers a platform boasts.

The platform’s global reach, increasingly important as U.S. growth stalls for Netflix and others, is not part of the metric; nor is the program’s success, unlike with the many other residual formulas that are based on license fees or transactional sales. So viewership is not a factor: Netflix’s smash hit Wednesday pays the same residuals as, say, The Midnights Club, which the platform canceled after one fleeting season. Also disregarded are such core metrics as subscriber attraction, retention or purchasing behavior.

That third variable is uniquely vital to Amazon, as video attracts people to Prime, and Prime members spend more than non-Prime members do. “We get to monetize [subscription video] in a very unusual way,” Jeff Bezos once remarked. “When we win a Golden Globe, it helps us sell more shoes.” Not only that; thanks to big data, Amazon no doubt knows which shows drive sales of Nikes and which ones push Vans out the digital door, the better to target advertising to its members—and make programming decisions.

All of that riles the guilds, who see studios and tech billionaires building global empires powered by professional content but not sharing enough wealth for middle-class creatives to sustain careers. Angelina Burnett, a WGA West negotiating committee member and the top vote getter in the 2022 board elections, said in her candidate statement that residuals checks “are not the reliable life raft they once were.” Donnelly asserted that feature writers are “often getting a quarter of what they used to” and that television writers suffer too.

“In this new era of streaming,” Donnelly wrote, “the [checks] are getting lighter and lighter.” (Aggregate residuals across all platforms, unions and recipients have actually grown about 5 percent per year over the last two decades according to available data and my modeling, but the number of residuals recipients may have outpaced that.)

Three years ago, the WGA sought a boost in the streaming residual (which was achieved) plus a tiered “viewing bonus” based on the number of streams a movie or episode achieved (which wasn’t). As streamers share more viewing data with showrunners and now advertisers, albeit parsimoniously, it will be harder to use opacity as a shield. “The companies must be forced to open the black box and share data with unions and profit participants,” said Burnett. “Will it take a strike? Almost certainly.”

And if there is a strike, the guild could demand a fundamental recalibration in streaming residuals to include global subs (which the companies would want to weight regionally to account for varying monthly fees) and a piece of the metrics that matter most: viewership, subscriber attraction and retention, purchasing behavior, awards bonuses (recall Bezos and the Globes) and more. But these enhancements are something cost-cutting studios and tech giants will be loath to give.

Pension & Health: The guild achieved outsize P&H increases the last two cycles and its pension plan reported itself in “good shape” last April. Given its other concerns, P&H might not be a sticking point for the WGA this time.

Options and Exclusivity: “Short orders and uncertain production schedules, both for series and pilots, have resulted in too many writers being held for extended periods of time, even after limited terms of employment,” said the guild in 2020. The union wanted to expand protections established in 2014 and 2017 to all TV writers. SAG-AFTRA made progress in this area with a legislative threat and an unusual mid-cycle negotiation last year, and as eight- or even six-episode seasons become routine, the WGA is likely to renew its demands.

Working Hours: Unlike other guild agreements, the WGA contract has no working hour protections. “Writers’ rooms that regularly run long hours with no limits are detrimental to all writers, and disproportionately impact those with families,” said the guild in 2020. The writers proposed a 12-hour minimum turnaround period for writers, matching the SAG-AFTRA “forced call” provisions (which also require a 56 hour weekend rest). Increased attention to work-life balance in the wake of the pandemic suggests this proposal will reappear.

Free Work: Numerous issues here, especially for screenwriters. For one, writers don’t get paid to pitch. That was acceptable to them when pitching meant a meeting and a one-page leave-behind. But now, said board member Raphael Bob-Waksberg, “a pitch for a movie is a detailed description of the entire fully-broken movie. [And in TV], we’re expected to pitch out season arcs that in the past would have been figured out with a full writers room.”

Moreover, said WGA East council member Gina Gionfriddo, “writers are submitting to bake-offs in which they spend months developing I.P. they do not own in competition with other writers.” Screenwriters who are hired are often asked to do unpaid rewrites at the behest of the producer or star, a situation the guild said was exacerbated by “the proliferation” of one-step deals. And potentially in the offing, warned board candidate Van Robichaux last year: studios making uncompensated “algorithmic reuse” of scripts as input to generative AI systems like ChatGPT—an even hotter topic today in the wake of recent decisions by Microsoft and Google to integrate generative capabilities into their search engines.

Last time around, the guild demanded that companies pay for repeated pitches—every meeting after the first would trigger a payment—and guarantee a second step for screenwriters earning less than twice scale. Expect similar asks this time, and maybe an AI proposal too.

DEI: In 2020, in an effort somewhat parallel to the non-DEI information sharing requirements negotiated with agencies, the guild sought to require that studios and streamers report on writer meetings, deals made, and option and step pick-ups (and non pickups), in order for the WGA to attain transparency into diversity and access. With continued focus on DEI, this demand is likely to be renewed.

That’s a lot of tough issues driven by powerful forces on both sides. Will the writers strike? Said one seasoned labor observer to me recently, “Are you crazy? Of course they’ll strike.”

The Feedback
It was Disney, Disney, Disney in my inbox this week after my back-and-forth with Bill Cohan on Thursday, with much of the conversation focused on the future of Hulu and ESPN. Some examples:

“Once upon a time, the idea of Disney sending ESPN to Comcast to combine with NBC Sports would have brought the antitrust hammer down with full force. But given the slew of losses the DOJ and FTC have taken in recent years on this front, and with the Microsoft-Activision deal looking more likely to go through, we may finally be approaching a landscape where that actually makes the most sense.” –An executive

“Iger is trying to drum up another buyer or convince Comcast he’s willing to walk away from a deal. Negotiation via media.” –An agent

“One thing the U.S. press is missing about Hulu and general entertainment is that Disney + is already a general entertainment service everywhere outside of the U.S. D+ abroad is full of TV-MA/R-rated stuff. It's categorized under the Star tile on the D+ interface, but that’s meaningless: all the marketing for that content pushes the fact that it's available on D+, and does not use the Star branding at all. (I’d also argue that this differentiated approach between domestic and international betrays the fact that Disney has not thought about streaming as a truly global product the same way that Netflix has.) –A former Disney executive

“Thank you for being one of the few in the media to call out [Nelson] Peltz and Ike [Perlmutter] for being corporate trolls. This distraction only hurt the company, all to temporarily pad their share price.” –An investor

“I’m confused by the idea that Disney will sell Hulu and keep ESPN. They’ve gotten so much bundling traction… and ESPN/sports is never going to hit economic escape velocity outside of a bundle.” –An executive

Finally… Something fun…
The Lakers haven’t exactly been a hot ticket this season, but LeBron James breaking the NBA’s scoring record brought out a big industry crew. Spotted: David Zaslav with buds John McEnroe and Woody Harrelson, Bad Bunny, director Andy Muschietti with his sister/producer Barbara, Bill Simmons, Denzel Washington, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Usher, Casey Wasserman, Jay-Z with Kris Jenner’s new husband Corey Gamble, Jimmy Iovine, Richard Weitz with LL Cool J, and Paul Wachter. It’s funny, a manager at the Peninsula hotel in Beverly Hills told a WIH tipster that he had dozens of cancellations for Thursday night after LeBron broke the record on Tuesday. I guess they didn’t want to stay in town to see a regular Laker game.

Have a great week,
Matt

Got a question, comment, complaint or a guess at what Ben and J.Lo made for that Dunkin commercial? Email me at Matt@puck.news or call/text me at 310-804-3198.

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Disney’s New Era
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