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Apr 07, 2025
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Welcome back to What I’m Hearing, and happy Paramount-Skydance extension day! Per the sale agreement, the deal window is automatically extended 90 days, to July 7, after which it would be extended for another three months. Can Shari Redstone and Larry Ellison finally ram this $8 billion transaction past their buddy Donald Trump? In the meantime, Paramount and all the other Hollywood studios are busy revising downward their projections for the year, based on the Trump tariff craziness. Every media outlet has done its how-screwed-are-we analysis, so I won’t repeat it here. But man, this could get bad very fast. Tonight, my take on the Disney C.E.O. candidate who doesn’t want to be a candidate. Plus: the politics and lessons of the Minecraft smash, Amazon’s first post-Salke executive hire, and who’s in charge of settling the Paramount/Trump 60 Minutes legal mess. Programming note: This week on The Town, Lucas Shaw and I parsed what Minecraft means for video game I.P., Brillstein C.E.O. Jon Liebman explained why managers are taking private equity money, and I ranked the CinemaCon presentations and hottest upcoming titles in home-and-home pods with Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins of The Big Picture. Subscribe here and here. Not a Puck member? Just click here. Got a news tip or an idea for me? Just reply to this email or message me on Signal at 310-804-3198. Discussed in this issue: Ted Sarandos, Kanye West, Vernon Sanders, Bob Iger, Cristobal Tapia de Veer, Ashley Chang, Scott Rudin, Ari Emanuel, Jen Salke, Greg Peters, James Gorman, Roy Lee, Mike De Luca, Mary Parent, Jack Black, and… a Jesse Watters screening party. But first…
 

Who Won the Week: It’s a many-person tie!

First, Chris Ruddy, co-founder of right-wing TV network Newsmax, which went public and spiked 2,200 percent, briefly eclipsing Fox Corp. It’s since dropped 80 percent from its peak, but still worth enough to make Ruddy a billionaire, per Forbes—at least for now. Second, who exactly should win the week for A Minecraft Movie and its record-breaking $163 million opening weekend? Lots of credit-grabbing this weekend, so let’s review the contenders:
  • Is it Mike De Luca and Pam Abdy, the embattled Warner Bros. film chiefs, who almost certainly bought themselves more time by greenlighting the $150 million production? Today’s trade report calling Minecraft the duo’s first “true” greenlight is certainly… amusing. “True” greenlights are apparently movies that are greenlit and then become successful; all other greenlights—like, say, Joker 2, which the duo previously called their first greenlight, or last year’s dual M. Night Shyamalan–produced bombs that they definitely greenlit—aren’t actually “true” greenlights. Only Minecraft is true. Got that?
  • How about Legendary’s Mary Parent, who put up 25 percent of the budget, produced the movie, and had a contract requiring the increasingly cheap Warners to spend on marketing?
  • Or Jesse Ehrman, the Warners exec who was on the project for years before De Luca and Abdy arrived? (Fun fact: An earlier cut was much racier but was sanitized after test audiences hated that stuff.)
  • Maybe Microsoft, whose ownership of game designer Mojang Studios now gives it what every tech company covets: a movie franchise?
  • Jack Black, who again (after Jumanji and The Super Mario Bros. Movie) proves he’s a legitimate movie star for families? (Bummer for Matt Berry, who was originally cast in that role but had to take a lesser part after the 2023 strike because of scheduling conflicts… and the switcheroo certainly upped the star power.)
  • Jason Momoa, just because?
  • Producer Roy Lee, who, along with the late Jill Messick, secured a sweet deal for the Minecraft rights and got a movie made just before the deal expired and Microsoft took them back?
  • Actually… I’m gonna say Jared Hess, who barely escaped from director jail after 2016’s Masterminds and now has a franchise he can milk for a decade. Hollywood!
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Enough. A couple quick news items…
  • The Times reported today that Paramount is headed to mediation with Donald Trump over the dubious $20 billion 60 Minutes lawsuit. It didn’t reveal the mediator, but I’m told it’s the Hon. Daniel Weinstein, the retired judge and JAMS co-founder who has settled many high-profile entertainment and media cases. Weinstein also happens to be a big music fan, former attorney for The Grateful Dead, and was spotted at the Sphere in Vegas last weekend watching The Eagles.
  • Amazon MGM Studios has made its first post–Jen Salke executive move, bringing in drama development exec Ashley Chang from Hulu, per two sources. Lots of speculation about the future of TV head Vernon Sanders now that Salke, the content chief, is out. But Chang’s move is unrelated to that situation. She’ll work under comedy and drama head Michael McDonald, and the hire was in the works before Salke exited.
And now, speaking of imaginative executive moves…
The Sarandos-Disney Fantasy

The Sarandos-Disney Fantasy

After a quarter-century at Netflix, Ted Sarandos is a perfect leader for The Walt Disney Co. as its succession derby drags on. There are serious challenges, yes, but also 100 years of I.P. and brand loyalty to build upon. Plus, it’s no secret that he wanted to become sole C.E.O. when Reed Hastings left.
 
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I was at a media investor get-together recently where someone asked me a provocative question: When The Walt Disney Co. finally names a successor to C.E.O. Bob Iger—which allegedly will happen by early 2026—is there a name that would cause the stock price to instantly pop? Something like when Starbucks brought in Brian Niccol from Chipotle as its chairman and C.E.O. last summer, and investors were so pleased that shares jumped 25 percent, or $21.4 billion, in one day—and were holding until the recent Trump tariff sell-off. At Disney, I responded, there’s probably not a stock-popper among the internal candidates. That’s partly because Disney—unlike, say, Starbucks—is not perceived to be in drastic need of a course-correction post-Iger. But it’s also because the four finalists—Josh D’Amaro, Dana Walden, Alan Bergman, and Jimmy Pitaro, with an emphasis on D’Amaro and Walden—have been discussed and debated more than Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. And because Disney has drawn out this derby, there’s a sense that none of the candidates is an emphatic home run—or at least that board chair James Gorman, who is managing the secretive succession process, doesn’t think so. Josh and/or Dana might ultimately make a great C.E.O., but if either was a clear choice, the thinking goes, he or she would be the clear choice. Now consider what would happen if Ted Sarandos were named the next leader of Disney. He’d almost certainly pop the stock—immediately, if not during an extended honeymoon period—not to mention turn heads in the broader business community. Imagine the great digital disruptor of Hollywood bringing the town’s largest and most influential studio into the digital future. It’s kinda perfect. Sure, Disney is an insular institution, from its buttoned-down corporate culture to the fact that it hasn’t appointed an outsider as C.E.O. in more than 40 years. And even if Netflix is currently worth $370 billion—more than twice its size—Disney is a much more prodigious company, with its huge theme parks and consumer products businesses, as well as linear TV and theatrical film distribution. But given the importance of streaming to the company’s next 20 years, as well as Sarandos’s experience as a top media C.E.O. at a company making more movies and television than anyone, he seems like a no-brainer candidate. Except, of course, that Ted doesn’t want it. Or at least he’s repeatedly said publicly and privately that he doesn’t want it, including at a Journal conference in October, where he was asked if he would even take Gorman’s call. “No, I wouldn’t, not even on my mind,” Sarandos said, adding, “I’m so energized every day by what we’re doing. And I know that sounds crazy after 25 years, but every couple of years it feels like we’re doing something completely different.”

“Case Closed”

Okay… Admittedly, things are going pretty well for Ted. The Great Netflix Correction of 2022 is solidly in the rearview. Two decades of debt-fueled investment—and traditional rivals asleep at the wheel—built a company with more than 300 million subscribers worldwide, technological superiority, and $8.7 billion in profit last year. Netflix’s own C.E.O. succession generated little public drama, with co-founder Reed Hastings passing the baton in early 2023 to both Sarandos and Greg Peters, his counterpart in Los Gatos. The fundamentals are so strong, even the Netflix bears at MoffettNathanson recently switched their stock rating from Neutral to Buy and upped their share price target to $1,100. “Netflix has won the streaming wars. Case closed,” analyst Robert Fishman declared. Indeed, the next decade of growth at Netflix likely will not be dependent on proving out a new model, but on executing the established one: pushing into emerging markets, maintaining a compelling content mix, figuring out gaming and experiential, judiciously raising prices, and growing an advertising tier. Why would Sarandos want to give that up to walk the Disney tightrope between the old linear world and the new? And put movies in theaters? Ew. Disney’s stock has been flat for a decade, despite a strong C.E.O. for most of that time. Sarandos, a lower-middle-class kid who started at a video store, has ridden Netflix to phenomenal wealth, with houses in Hancock Park and Montecito and Malibu, and status as Mayor of Hollywood that, frankly, only Iger can rival. It’s a nice place to be. But honestly, those are great reasons to leave. Ted’s dreams of doubling subscribers, seriously challenging YouTube in the ads business, and winning a best picture Oscar, have remained out of reach. But he’s done nearly everything else at Netflix, and few would be surprised if he decided 25 years was enough. Sarandos and his wife, Nicole Avant, have been on a press blitz recently—everything from media conferences to a Variety cover to CBS Sunday Morning, to an “at home” feature in the Times. It almost feels like a victory tour.

Flying Solo?

Disney would be a natural next platform, with serious challenges yet 100 years of I.P. and brand loyalty to build upon. Plus, it’s no secret that Sarandos wanted to become sole C.E.O. when Hastings left. He’d proven himself as chief content officer, then as co-C.E.O alongside Reed for a few years. Yet the Netflix board felt comfortable handing Sarandos the reins only if he was paired with a former C.O.O. and chief product officer in Peters. A slight, for sure, though Sarandos is said to have defended the co-leader setup when Iger asked him whether it could work at Disney. Now, that same company could offer him the chance to go solo. Yet just last week, at a Paley Center event, moderator Ben Smith asked if Sarandos had even been approached about the Disney job. “No one’s ever talked to me about that,” Ted insisted. Why not? Disney, since its 1995 acquisition of Capital Cities/ABC, has essentially been a television company, with the majority of profit coming from the TV division, which includes ESPN. That’s one reason why Iger, who once picked the shows at ABC, was handed the gold-plated mouse ears in the first place—a TV C.E.O. for the TV era. All the more reason to anoint a streaming C.E.O. for the streaming era. “Disney’s streaming business is critical to the company’s vitality,” Peter Supino, the Wolf Research analyst, told me recently. “Short and medium term, streaming is the only large business at Disney that competes in a high-growth market segment. Longer-term, direct-to-consumer digital distribution means that Disney controls how consumers find and consume the I.P. that is the source of the Disney flywheel.” That’s analyst-speak for, Streaming is really, really important. And unless Disney wants to lure Hastings away from a private chair lift at his ski resort, streaming kinda equals Sarandos.
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Sarandos also clearly relishes the showman aspects of his job, which would work at Disney. He still hosts parties for stand-up comics at his L.A. house, and sits for relatively minor events like the Golden Globes and, last month, the Mark Twain Prize event at the Kennedy Center, which Netflix carries. You won’t catch Iger at awards shows besides the Oscars, even if ABC carries them. Like Iger, Ted’s political—but while Sarandos is a solid Democrat and Avant served as an ambassador under Obama, he’s not particularly linked to Trump nemesis Kamala Harris, like Walden. In fact, Sarandos recently visited Mar-a-Lago, backed former Republican Rick Caruso over Karen Bass in the most recent L.A. mayoral election, and famously sided with Dave Chappelle and his anti-transgender comedy special in the culture wars. Sarandos has clearly analyzed the Disney businesses, first as he leveraged the Marvel movies and TV shows to grow Netflix in the mid-2010s, and now as he figures out what experiential looks like for his company. “We’re going to be much more part of our fans’ lives than going into Disneyland once every couple of years. And I’m not shitting on Disneyland,” he said last month. So what’s the issue, Gorman? Make the call. Make the pitch. Sarandos might not be persuadable. But maybe he’s just playing hard to get.
 

Quote of the Week

“I don’t think everybody was really aware of how attached people were to the ooh-loo-loo-loos.” —Cristobal Tapia de Veer, the White Lotus composer, revealing the behind-the-scenes fights with creator Mike White over this season’s opening theme song that led him to quit the show in a huff.
 

My Reading List…

Speaking of White Lotus, throw this one and its We’ll Always Have Lorazepam headline in the time capsule under Media Overload 2025. [NY Times] Runway, the A.I. video startup that convinced Lionsgate to hand over its films for training purposes, is now valued at $3 billion. [Bloomberg] Hard to feel bad for anyone who sent their kids to a Kanye West school and thought it was a good idea, but the explosion of litigation paints an awful picture. [LA Times] The Saudis are taking on Netflix in the Middle East. [Al-Monitor] Disney is exiting the Fox lot in Century City. Hopefully, all those Searchlight screenings won’t be replaced by nightly Jesse Watters viewing parties. [LA Times] Some confusion out there about Coyote vs. Acme and the deal for Gareth West’s Ketchup Entertainment to pick up the shelved Looney Tunes film. Warners took an impairment charge, not technically a “tax credit,” on the film. So as long as the studio accounts for the money coming in and makes whole any charge it wrote off, it’s fine. [AP] Paramount will simulcast the MTV VMAs on CBS, which is a) a great way to get a linear cable exclusive onto Paramount+, and b) at least a bit of a replacement for the Grammys, which are moving to ABC in 2027 (though, unfortunately for CBS, nobody has cared who wins a VMA since TRL was a thing). [Billboard] Mel Gibson will soon be able to own guns again. Finally. [NY Times] Now here’s Scott with some further analysis of the big ‘Minecraft’ weekend…
 

Minecraft Games

While A Minecraft Movie arrived too late to raise spirits at CinemaCon, the weekend success of the Jack Black video game adaptation was a bright spot in an otherwise grim start to the year. Minecraft’s $314 million worldwide box office also puts to bed, at least momentarily, some of the rampant speculation about the fate of Warners studio heads Mike De Luca and Pam Abdy, who developed the film with Legendary. This marks the third time since 2021 that theaters have arguably been revived by an overperforming tentpole courtesy of Warner Bros. and Legendary—Godzilla vs. Kong in 2021, both Dune: Part Two and Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire in 2024, and now A Minecraft Movie. So… what made Jared Hess’s adaptation a hit? I boiled it down to five factors.

1. Jack Black Is the King of Kids’ Movies

For nearly 25 years, spanning generations of young parents, Black has been a butts-in-seats movie star for big films aimed at little audiences. That includes animated hits like Ice Age, Shark Tale, Kung Fu Panda, and The Super Mario Bros. Movie and live-action, all-quadrant overperformers like School of Rock,the Jumanji sequels, and Universal’s 2018 sleeper The House With a Clock in its Walls. Through it all, Black’s gifts of expression and physical comedy have been the main draws. And unlike other actors headlining kids’ flicks, Black never panders to his audience, or looks like he’s anything less than 110 percent stoked to be there. Also, unlike most modern so-called movie stars, he’s not defined by any one franchise—he’s always, first and foremost, Jack Black. Not only is Minecraft an all-quadrant, P.L.F.-friendly adventure-comedy based on a beloved game, it’s also essentially Jack Black: The Movie, starring Jack Black as himself. (For what it’s worth, Jack Black is the only movie star that my 13-year-old likes more than Godzilla.)

2. Video Games Are the New Comics

It’s a crazy idea, but maybe kids would rather see a movie about a video game that they spent countless hours playing than their grandfather’s favorite comic book hero. The so-called video game movie curse was broken more or less permanently in early 2018 (Tomb Raider earned$275 million on a $95 million budget; Rampage earned $428 million on a $120 million budget). And the blowout success of Paramount and Sega’s Sonic the Hedgehog in 2020—$320 million on an $85 million budget, just before Covid shut down the world—affirmed that video games were unequivocally the next rich source of adaptation I.P. There are a number of video game adaptations in the pipeline, including Sony’s horror-focused Until Dawn later this month. Not all of them will hit Sonic-level grosses ($1.2 billion over three films), but video game movies have lately proven to be... Continue reading online…
 

The Feedback

A hodgepodge of comments this week on Ari Emanuel’s ethics, CAA v. Range, and Scott Rudin’s claim that he “very rarely” threw objects at people… “As someone who worked for Scott for quite a while by Rudin standards, I can definitively say this is patently false. Also, I never got my apology!” —A producer “Did you see Scott agreed to be photographed for the Times piece? Now we know he will do anything to come back.” —An agent “Imagine if these agents spent the millions they waste fighting each other in court on their clients, the people whose work they are supposed to be living, breathing, and selling.” —Another producer “I very much appreciate [Kim Masters] highlighting Ari’s hypocrisy re: Elon Musk and the Tate brothers.” —A consultant “A tough read today [on Ari]. But very good. Appreciate [Kim] reporting (and speaking) [her] truth—feels like it’s getting harder and harder.” —Yet another producer
 
Have a great week, Matt Got a question, comment, complaint, or people you wish would have died on ‘White Lotus’? Email me at Matt@puck.news or call/text me at 310-804-3198.
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