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Welcome back to The Varsity. I’m John Ourand, and yes, I did stay up
until 3 a.m. last night. What a game!
I broke a little bit of news last week when I reported that Comcast and Disney renewed their carriage deal, ensuring that ESPN’s channels would remain on Xfinity systems for at least the next three years. After my report, some Xfinity subscribers, like our pal Rich Greenfield over at LightShed, said they still didn’t
have access to ESPN Unlimited. It was noteworthy, mostly because all of Disney’s recent deals with distributors have included access to ESPN’s new app. Was this Comcast deal somehow different? Nope. I reached out to a few sources, who told me the delay was just a tech issue and that Xfinity subscribers will have access soon enough.
In tonight’s issue, Julia Alexander has a fascinating chat with Wolfe Research analyst Peter Supino about the future
of Warner Bros. Discovery and its sports rights. The most important part of the Q&A to me is when Peter tells Julia that Turner should fight to keep its sports rights for the next several years, “given how important it is to Turner’s affiliate revenue stream.” The whole interview is great, and it’s available only to Inner Circle subscribers, so upgrade now if you haven’t already.
Take it away,
Julia…
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Stat of the Week: 3.7 million
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Christmas came a little early for data nerds. Two years into its decade-long, $2.5 billion
exclusive partnership with Apple, MLS has finally released some numbers around viewership. Of course, there are a lot of caveats. We now know that 3.7 million global aggregate viewers tuned into MLS games over the course of a typical weekend slate, according to Sports Business Journal,
representing a 29 percent increase year over year.
What that means on a per-game basis, however, is unclear. Did the league enjoy massive spikes heading into the playoffs? How do the overall viewership numbers stack up against other leagues? Apparently, no one knows—the MLS methodology isn’t comparable to that of any other league, per SBJ’s Austin Karp. Look, I’m glad that MLS is finding an audience, but all of this is meaningless without
actual context. Let’s hope F1 isn’t as vague on its Apple journey…
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- The NHL bets on Kalshi: The NHL has become the first major sports league to sign a deal with betting platforms—sorry, I mean prediction market platforms—Kalshi and Polymarket. In addition to getting access to their valuable troves of data, the NHL hopes the relationships will entice
younger fans to watch more games, attend more events, and be more psychologically invested overall. I get it: While the NHL has enjoyed plenty of success in the latter Bettman era, largely through last season’s exceedingly popular 4 Nations Face-Off, it’s not the NBA or NFL (or even MLB, Canada’s darling du jour). If a sport, itself, isn’t driving engagement, you’ve got to lean on the behavior that is moving the needle.
Both companies will be able to use
NHL logos (and data) for their own product. We probably won’t have to wait long to find out how this might impact Kalshi’s desire to remain exempt from state gambling laws—or how FanDuel and DraftKings will respond. Presumably, they’ll argue that more and more people have been using the prediction market platforms for sports betting in addition to wagering a few dollars on the New York mayoral election. - The NFL’s manifest destiny:
Roger Goodell’s key point of focus has been international expansion—perhaps the one area of growth that has eluded America’s most popular sport, dating back to the NFL Europe adventure. There’s been plenty of chatter around the league about a future package of weekly international games, but the NFL’s corporate comms strategy has long been to telegraph longitudinal goals while managing toward them incrementally. Now Goodell is gradually
delivering on this promise with a potential slate of nine international games in 2026, up from seven this season.
It’s unclear how those games would break down. This year, international contests were played in England, Ireland, Germany, Brazil, and Spain. Could there be more games in South America next year as Goodell leans further into
that space? More importantly, where will some of those extra games be broadcast?
The NFL’s experiment with YouTube this season led to some rather tepid results, with 19.7 million people tuning into a Friday night Chiefs–Chargers tilt in September, about on par with last season’s Friday night game on Peacock. But YouTube has shown
continued interest in expanding that relationship. Maybe Amazon will get an international Thursday game; after all, this year’s Black Friday game is the first time Amazon will stream an NFL matchup in international markets. Either way, Goodell knows there’s only so much more growth available in the U.S.—a reality aligned, for what it’s worth, with Netflix, which is also pursuing international growth to balance a saturated domestic market. - MLB’s highlight
reels: It’s not a revelation that younger sports fans are increasingly turning to shortform content to engage with their favorite teams, players, and leagues. Indeed, close to 60 percent of global TikTok users engage with sports content on the app each week, according to a report from the company published last year. But sometimes, seeing the numbers really hammers it
home. Case in point: Vertical video viewing for MLB alone jumped 700 percent year over year, while horizontal video viewing (like on YouTube) dropped by 14 percent, according to a new report from analytics firm WSC Sports.
A couple of other interesting tidbits from the WSC report: Player highlights jumped by 185 percent year over year, while postgame content, which includes press conferences and interviews, jumped by more than 330 percent. This trend further underscores
why Jimmy Pitaro was so jazzed about introducing “Verts” on ESPN’s new streaming app, and why NBA commissioner Adam Silver continually touts the importance of shortform video apps. Of course, the actual debate is whether this is a viable long-term business strategy, but that’s for another day.
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And now for the main event…
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A wide-ranging chat with renowned analyst Peter Supino about the
auction for Warner Bros. Discovery, including the true value of WBD’s sports rights, the potential buyers most likely to bid on the motherlode, a few strange and overlooked aspects of the deal, and much more.
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At the moment, the preferred parlor game among media business types—and, really, anyone who’s ever
visited Sun Valley for four days in late June—is whom David Zaslav will choose as a worthy buyer for Warner Bros. Discovery or some of its assets. Of course, there’s feverish interest from David Ellison’s Paramount Skydance. Meanwhile, Comcast’s Brian Roberts, perhaps feeling newly acquisitive amid the Versant spinoff, might view the Warner Bros. studio and HBO as desirable complements to the sports offerings on Peacock. Last week, Netflix’s
Greg Peters essentially shrugged off any interest in WBD when asked about it on the company’s earnings call. But we also know that Netflix has moved from a never philosophy to never say never optionality.
While many of the conversations surrounding the sale have focused on the value of tentpole I.P. like Harry Potter, there’s also a bounty of sports rights within the company’s portfolio. There’s eventized fare, like March Madness and
the MLB playoffs (for now), which could appeal to both legacy mediacos and pure-play streamers on account of their in-demand content and advertising inventory. (Paramount Skydance, which already has a piece of the March Madness action via CBS, could look to tie the whole monthlong event up on its platform.) And then there are more bespoke events, like the Grand Slam and some College Football Playoff games—massive, one-off, often global contests that would square nicely with the live sports
content strategies at Netflix, YouTube, Amazon, or Apple. For services that need tonnage, WBD’s TNT Sports has an annual NHL package that runs through 2028. And don’t forget about the Savannah Bananas…
I was curious whether these sports rights—which, in the currently in-progress spinoff, exist within the new Global Networks entity—would be enough to sway any of the companies looking at coughing up $60 billion for WBD. For an enlightened take on the situation, I called up
Peter Supino, a managing director and senior analyst at Wolfe Research. Among other things, Peter discussed the value of these rights for potential buyers, why they probably won’t transcend WBD’s movie catalogue (which, according to Peter, accounts for 17 percent of all major movies ever made in the U.S.), which company is likely to land the motherlode (or pieces of it), and much more. As usual, our conversation has been lightly edited for length and clarity.
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Julia Alexander: So, Peter, who’s
really interested in buying Warner Bros. Discovery? This is at least a $55 billion purchase, based on the reported valuation from David Ellison’s most recent offer, that comes with some top I.P. but also a ton of debt and legacy networks that no one wants.
Peter Supino: The three almost obviously interested buyers are Paramount Skydance, Netflix, and Comcast. I think Amazon is probably interested, and there’s a
case that Apple might be interested, too. In terms of probability of ultimately buying, I’d put them in this order: Paramount Skydance, Comcast, Netflix, Amazon, and Apple.
Comcast is the most interesting to me because WBD has basically the mirror opposite business. NBCU and Peacock are sports-first businesses, with reality TV and network procedurals supporting those sports. WBD has some sports, but its bread and butter is premium I.P. You could make an argument that having I.P.
for the parks helps them better compete with Disney…
So much of this deal is about increasing engagement and scale on the streaming side. Comcast has a long history of getting enough I.P. out of its own studio and licensing for their parks; that’s never been a problem for Comcast. No, what’s really in play here is a significant amount of engagement that Comcast is losing out on to Disney and Netflix. NBCUniversal has sports, but they don’t have other types of content they
need.
To your point, WBD doesn’t have a ton of sports, but Zaslav and Gunnar Wiedenfels still have a few notable events: the Grand Slam, March Madness, and some College Football Playoff games, to name a few. How valuable are these rights to the deal?
Well, let’s look at the deal. WBD is structured, legally and financially, so that it could sell Streaming and Studios, and leave Global Networks as RemainCo, if Zaslav thought this offered the best opportunity. In
that case, the European sports rights would certainly remain with Discovery under Gunnar in RemainCo, and the sports rights held by Turner would certainly stay with Gunnar.
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The
Cost of Consolidation
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If Ellison takes the whole thing, all of this becomes much less complicated. But can you
actually see a world in which some of the sports events get carved out and sold in some capacity?
Turner should fight to keep the sports rights portfolio mostly intact over the next several years, given how important it is to Turner’s affiliate revenue stream. Thinking through the moving pieces carefully, you have to look at what rights are coming up for renegotiation during the next two or three years. Gunnar has to think about the longevity of that business, and that business
is tied to having the best sports to drive those affiliate revenue streams.
Would a company like Apple or Amazon come into this bidding process with some of these sports in mind? Obviously, Amazon is far more aggressive in the sports rights marketplace, but some of those events might fit nicely within Apple’s brand—to say nothing of all the other content Apple would receive, including a library they so desperately need.
Apple is not the best buyer, but they could
choose to do it if they thought it was strategic to accelerate their scaling in video. Really, Warner Bros. and HBO are all that Apple would be interested in, and that’s just a huge amount of what Apple already does—premium scripted entertainment. WBD doesn’t have much outside of that for Apple, including in sports. If I’m Apple, and I’m buying premium programming that can drive pricing, I’m not really driving the level of engagement on streaming today that changes my
business.
That makes sense. Meanwhile, no matter what happens with WBD, I’m curious about the fate of all these sports rights. Will consolidation keep driving up their price? And are companies like Paramount, Disney, Netflix, Amazon, and NBCU prepared to start coughing up more?
Warner Discovery being absorbed by one of the legacy Hollywood streaming and studios companies would be a net positive for owners of sports I.P. The starting premise is that the owners of
sports rights should want a greater number of rich, well-capitalized buyers of their rights—and Warner Discovery, as it stands today, is in a managed decline, and not in a position to play offense in significant future sports media rights sales. Whoever buys Warner Discovery’s component parts will presumably be in better shape to use those cashflows in future sports rights auctions than today’s Warner Discovery.
Every week, I talk to people who say they feel
comforted by the fact that sports rights are a driving factor for streaming. Audience demand is clear, audience engagement is proven, and we’ve learned to look at M&A activity in streaming through the lens of sports-first. But this deal is one of the rare exceptions—it’s sports-last.
Let’s use Netflix as an example of what this could mean for streaming. Historically, Netflix has not licensed content to third parties. If Netflix buys Warner Discovery, then almost 20 percent of the
history of American filmmaking—and a massive repository at HBO of premium television—leaves the licensing market forever. That means fewer picks and shovels with which the other streamers can go mine for gold. This deal is a big bet on streaming engagement in a hypercompetitive market, where engagement is currency, it’s gold. Sometimes that gold is sports rights. Sometimes it’s I.P. and premium TV, and that seems to be the bet here.
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Thanks, Julia. See you all on Thursday,
John
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Puck sports correspondent John Ourand and a rotating cast of industry insiders take you inside the executive suites
and owners boxes where the decisions that shape the entire sports business are made. You’ll hear interviews with players, network execs, and everyone in between. The Varsity is an extension of John’s private email for Puck by the same name. New episodes publish every Wednesday and Sunday.
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