• Washington
  • Wall Street
  • A.I.
  • Hollywood
  • Media
  • Fashion
  • Sports
  • Art
  • Join Puck Newsletters What is puck? Authors Podcasts Gift Puck Careers Events
  • Join Puck

    Directly Supporting Authors

    A new economic model in which writers are also partners in the business.

    Personalized Subscriptions

    Customize your settings to receive the newsletters you want from the authors you follow.

    Stay in the Know

    Connect directly with Puck talent through email and exclusive events.

  • What is puck? Newsletters Authors Podcasts Events Gift Puck Careers
 
Puck logo
 
Dry Powder

Good afternoon, I'm William D. Cohan.

 

Hello and welcome back to Dry Powder. 

 

Today, I'm looking at the unlikely rise of Marc Rowan, the successor C.E.O. at the private equity giant Apollo Capital Management, after the fall of Leon Black. As readers of Dry Powder are surely aware, the leadership calculus at Apollo began to change dramatically during the pandemic, having nearly everything to do with Black’s long-running association with Jeffrey Epstein. But the full story of Rowan's takeover was anything but textbook, even if it all may turn out just fine.

 

As always, you can read my reporting online, or in this email, below.

 

Thanks,

Bill

marc rowan

Apollo's New Mission: Life After Leon

Apollo Global Management has long been identified with its co-founder Leon Black. Now his successor Marc Rowan is on a mission to change that narrative—pronto—and to make a killing in the process.

William Cohan

WILLIAM D. COHAN

The gargantuan private-equity business is undergoing a massive generational shift these days, with a whole new cadre of leaders taking control of, cumulatively, more than $1 trillion in dry powder. At Blackstone, the emperor of the industry with some $730 billion of assets under management, co-founder Steve Schwarzman (age 74, net worth these days: $41 billion) has designated Jon Gray, 51, as his successor, even as he remains understandably reluctant to relinquish center stage. At KKR, co-founders Henry Kravis and George Roberts, both 77, have turned over the reins of the firm, founded in 1976, to Scott Nuttall and Joe Bae. At the Carlyle Group, co-founders David Rubenstein, William Conway, and Dan D’Aniello have moved on and out in favor of Kewsong Lee. (Lee’s co-C.E.O., Glenn Youngkin, gave up the role in part to run for governor of Virginia, a race he won on Tuesday.) In May, the co-founders of TPG handed over the sole C.E.O. role to Jon Winkelreid. (TPG is an investor in Puck.)

 

Then, of course, there is the succession drama that played out earlier this year at Apollo Global Management. This was succession of a different sort—more Succession than succession—driven by crisis, rather than by careful planning. While all the details remain publicly scarce, you can rest assured that the process by which Marc Rowan took over from Leon Black at Apollo was hardly textbook, even though it all may work out just fine. (Apollo’s stock is up more than 60 percent since Rowan succeeded Black in March.) 

 

I had lunch with Rowan in September. We dined on salads, using plastic silverware, at Apollo’s new cafeteria in its Manhattan headquarters at 9 West 57th Street. He was eager to show it to me. I’ve known Rowan for 30 years, from back in the days when Apollo was just starting out and I was a young Wall Street investment banker covering the burgeoning private-equity industry. Our latest conversation was off-the-record, so I can’t report about it. But I can tell you that I’ve never seen him happier, more energetic, and more inspired by the responsibility he has been given to lead Apollo at this critical juncture. It’s almost as if he’s been waiting to come out from under Black’s shadow, or yoke, for decades. It’s fascinating to watch, to be honest. I, for one, didn’t think Rowan had it in him to be an enthusiastic leader of one of the most important bellwethers of finance.

Apollo, as you readers know, is the alternative-assets behemoth founded 31 years ago by Black, the former head of M&A at Drexel Burnham Lambert (the defunct investment bank) and, among others, two of his protégés, Josh Harris and Rowan. The firm, with $481 billion of assets under management and a market value of $30 billion, has long been identified, even more than most other private-equity firms and their founders, with Black, who is 70 and more than a decade older than both Harris and Rowan. Channeling Black, Apollo has always been known as a firm that has been willing to take risks that other firms have not been willing to take, such as buying the debt of bankrupt or failing companies and then converting that debt to equity to get control. It is equally well-known for its relentless financial creativity. In the aftermath of the financial crisis, for instance, Rowan and Apollo started an insurance company—Athene—from scratch, took it public in 2016, and then Apollo just recently agreed to buy it back, making another fortune. 

 

All this financial engineering made Black very rich—his net worth is estimated at around $10 billion—with all the usual accoutrements of the very wealthy: a Manhattan townhouse (it used to be the Knoedler art gallery), a home in Beverly Hills (that used to belong to Tom Cruise), and a palatial mansion in Southampton. In 2012, he bought Edvard Munch’s pastel, The Scream, for nearly $120 million. Until recently, he was chairman of the board of trustees at the Museum of Modern Art. Such was Black’s pervasiveness at Apollo that until he was tapped in March to succeed him, Rowan had opted for semi-retirement rather than get all bollixed up in the question of whether he or Harris, or someone else, would be Black’s successor.

 

The leadership calculus at Apollo began to change dramatically during the pandemic, having nearly everything to do with Black’s long-running association with Jeffrey Epstein, the infamous pedophile who supposedly committed suicide in his Manhattan jail cell in August 2019. The rough outlines of the Black-Epstein plot that lawyers have allowed to be made public are well known by now. Black and Epstein had known each other since at least the 1990s. In 1997, Black named Epstein one of the original trustees of Black’s family foundation. In 2020, following Epstein’s death, Black revealed in a letter to investors that Epstein provided him with “estate planning, tax and philanthropic advice.” In October 2020, Black, who remains Apollo’s largest individual shareholder, asked the independent directors of the Apollo board to conduct an investigation into his relationship with Epstein. The independent directors hired Dechert, the law firm, to conduct the investigation and, in January, produced a minimalist report that revealed that Black had paid Epstein $158 million, between 2012 and 2017, for his tax-structuring and estate-planning advice. The Dechert report left many unanswered questions and, of course, there was no one willing to answer them, in the great corporate tradition. (In June, Black was accused of sexual abuse. Black has adamantly denied the accusations and sued both his accuser and her law firm.)

 

Most people I know on Wall Street found the Dechert report to be a bit of a joke. But, of course, we’ll never know what really happened between them, unless Black wants to give me a call. (That’s not likely to happen.) In the meantime, Black was going to stick around as Apollo C.E.O. until June. But the timeline got speeded up to March, with Rowan agreeing to come out of his lair to lead the firm, winning a power struggle of sorts with Harris, who had previously made a bold, and ultimately unsuccessful, power grab to take over the firm. If the details of what really happened between Black, Harris and Rowan ever gets shared, they would make one helluva HBO or Showtime mini-series, a cross between Billions and Succession, with a twist of the Sopranos. (Black is hardly alone in losing his job as a result of his association with Epstein; on Tuesday, Jes Staley stepped down as C.E.O. of Barclays, after just shy of six years, because of the circumstances surrounding his relationship with Epstein.) 

With the stock price soaring and Black out of the picture, Rowan appears to be in his element and hitting his stride. One of his first moves as C.E.O., in March, was to have Apollo buy the 65 percent of Athene that it didn’t already own, for $11 billion. On October 19, he led a multi-hour “Investor Day” for Wall Street research analysts that was most notable for the fact that not once did anyone mention the name Leon Black, an omission that would have been previously unthinkable. Rowan talked about the importance of “culture” to him and to Apollo, a vein of thinking that one rarely associated with Black’s Apollo, which has always been known to be more than a little cutthroat. “If I had to choose between strategy and culture, I take culture every day all the time and twice on Sunday,” Rowan said. 

 

He continued: “It is ultimately the most important thing. If we get culture right, we win. We can always adjust the strategy. I want to assure you, we are getting culture right. We have always been known as an idiosyncratic investor, as a contrarian, as an entrepreneurial firm at scale. What you haven’t known as much, because it’s too easy to gloss over, is the people side of the business.” 

 

Indeed, Rowan made clear repeatedly in his hour-long presentation that he would not be dwelling on the past. “Nostalgia is a very dangerous point of view in our business,” he said, “because, in the next five years, it’s going to change more than it has in the past 10. We should embrace that. We shouldn’t be scared by that. This is just an amazing time for our business.” 

 

Rowan also spent plenty of time at the Investor Day talking about how Apollo would be becoming even bigger and more important. He said Apollo was a “high-growth business” that would be doubling its assets under management in five years, to nearly $1 trillion. The acquisition of Athene—Rowan’s baby—is a “growth accelerant” for Apollo, he said, in much the same way, I presume, that Warren Buffett’s acquisition of the insurance company Berkshire Hathaway, back in the day, changed the trajectory of his career and made him one of the wealthiest men in the world. 

 

He said Apollo remained committed to private equity, even though he described it as “not a growth business.” It is raising a new fund that is expected to exceed the $25 billion fund it raised in 2018. “It’s a farming business,” he said, of private equity. “You plant, you harvest, you plant, you harvest.” Apollo also  remains committed to alternative credit, such as buying distressed debt, and to loaning money at high rates to companies that can’t get it anywhere else. He repeatedly compared Apollo to the way GE Capital used to finance companies, making boatloads of money along the way. (At our lunch, we talked about GE’s implosion, the focus of my forthcoming book, and he seemed well aware of the role GE Capital played in bringing GE to its knees; it’s doubtful Rowan will make that same mistake at Apollo. But I won’t say any more than that.) 

 

Apollo is also committed to providing “private credit,” money that is lent to companies that Apollo keeps on its balance sheet, to capture the spread—the difference between Apollo’s cost of capital and the interest it receives on the loans—for itself. One example of “private credit,” Apollo-style, is the 2019 $1.7 billion loan Apollo made to Gannett, the newspaper company, at a hefty 11 percent interest rate. 

 

At the Investor Day, one of Rowan’s partners described Apollo’s opportunities in “private credit” as going from the size of “a pond” to the size of “an ocean.” He doesn’t want to accumulate more assets just to accumulate more assets. He wants to make sure he can reward with high returns the investors who trust Apollo  with their money. “We are in the business of providing excess return per unit of risk,” Rowan said. “It’s no more complicated than that. If we forget that, though, and we seek to just take in A.U.M. without regard to our ability to put that money to work, returns will commoditize and ultimately fees in our business will commoditize.” 

In short, Rowan seemed almost giddy with Apollo’s prospects, now that Black is out of the picture. Critics such as Senator Elizabeth Warren—who allege private-equity has run roughshod over the economy, leveraging up businesses, reaping huge financial rewards for themselves and their limited partners while often leaving employees and creditors holding the bag—will be disappointed by Rowan’s optimism. 

 

He makes it sounds like there’s very little that will be stopping the Apollo juggernaut. “I’m fortunate to lead a business that gets better every day, literally better every day—demographics, income, wealth transfer, indexification and evolving regulation,” he said. “I was preparing for this [talk], and I was thinking, which of these is the most powerful driver? I’m not sure I could say. We have so many powerful trends driving our business that we expect not only growth in the business, but you can see what’s been projected in the alternatives universe more generally. This has been a really good business for 20 years, and I see no signs of this letting up or changing. I think the forces that are driving this are just too powerful right now.”

 

Of course, by the Investor Day, Rowan must have known that Apollo had had a blowout third quarter, the results of which he announced on November 2. The firm made $725 million in what it calls “distributable earnings”—profits that can be returned to shareholders—nearly four times the $205 million Apollo made in the third quarter of 2020. “Our business is thriving,” Rowan said in announcing the third-quarter results, “and we are accelerating on all fronts.”

 

As a journalist, one is tempted to dismiss Rowan’s unbridled enthusiasm for Apollo’s business prospects as just so much corporate pabulum. But with the economy still recovering from the pandemic with seeming robustness, and the Federal Reserve remaining intent on keeping the cost of Apollo’s fuel close to zero, it’s hard to see (at least from a near-term macroeconomic perspective) what might curtail the party for Apollo, and the rest of the industry, in general. Rowan’s optimism seems well justified, when you cut through it all.

 

That doesn’t mean there aren’t potential pitfalls for Rowan, et al. The multiples of EBITDA paid by private equity buyers—with dry powder up the wazoo—have averaged an eye-popping 12x, driven by the white-hot debt markets, where nearly everything seems to fly off the shelves these days. The Fed keeps threatening to “taper”—and did so again today—which, if it happens, could finally lead to higher interest rates and a tamping down of the party. And, of course, debt investors could start demanding greater compensation for the risks they are taking, which could also chill the debt markets. 

 

But, as I’ve said, I’ve known Rowan a long time. This guy is as smart and as sharp as it gets. I’ve also long known Bill Lewis, the respected  banker who joined Apollo last month as a senior partner. He wouldn’t risk his Wall Street career and reputation by going to Apollo at this moment unless something different and special is going on. This could get interesting.

FOUR STORIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

cocktail

The 'Rust' Blame Name

The indie film industry is notorious inside Hollywood for penny-pinching financiers, lax on-set managers, cheap hires and poor on-sent conditions.

MATT BELLONI

money bag

The Trump SPAC Cash Grab

The merger appears reckless, even to those in Trumpworld. As one former senior advisor put it: “It's got as much gas as the Hindenburg.”

TINA NGUYEN

martini

Eric Schmidt's Survival Tactics

A candid conversation with Eric Schmidt about A.I., his relationship with Biden, and how “woke-ism” has changed the C-suite.

TEDDY SCHLEIFER

card

CNBC Origins

The formative years of David Zaslav's career explain as much about the history of cable as they portend about the future of streaming.

WILLIAM D. COHAN

 
swash divider
Facebook Twitter Instagram LinkedIn

You received this message because you signed up to receive emails from Puck.

 

Was this email forwarded to you?

Sign up for Puck here.

 

Sent to {{customer.email}}

Unsubscribe

 

Puck is published by Heat Media LLC.
64 Bank Street
New York, NY 10014

 

For support, just reply to this e-mail.

For brand partnerships, email ads@puck.news

SEE THE ARCHIVES

SHARE
Try Puck for free

Sign up today to join the inside conversation at the nexus of Wall Street, Washington, A.I., Hollywood, and more.

Already a member? Log In


  • Daily articles and breaking news
  • Personal emails directly from our authors
  • Gift subscriber-only stories to friends & family
  • Unlimited access to archives

  • Exclusive bonus days of select newsletters
  • Exclusive access to Puck merch
  • Early bird access to new editorial and product features
  • Invitations to private conference calls with Puck authors

Exclusive to Inner Circle only



Latest Articles from Wall Street

Geoffroy van Raemdonck
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
The Saks Financial Colonoscopy
Amid a torrent of bankruptcy filings, a blunt declaration by Saks Global’s newly appointed chief restructuring officer lays out precisely what went wrong and when, and who got screwed hardest—plus which risk-hungry investors are likely to call the shots moving forward. As it turns out, the company’s capital structure became “unsustainable” almost immediately after its $2.7 billion acquisition of Neiman Marcus Group in December 2024.
David Ellison
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
The Ellison Way of Parenting
David Ellison’s latest schemes to wrest Warner Bros. from Netflix have proved insufficient after his previous negotiating tactics ran up the price. Meanwhile, he’s losing the respect of the WBD guys across the table. But will his dad come to the rescue with another, say, $10 billion to bail him out?
Patrick Drahi
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
A History of Creditor-on-Creditor Violence
Wall Street invented the coercive liability management exercise, which allows companies to play their creditors against one another as they extract beneficial terms for themselves—a now-routinized tradition referred to as “creditor-on-creditor violence.” But now Apollo, Oaktree, BlackRock, and JPMorgan Chase are teaming up to put an end to this mess.


Larry Ellison, David Ellison
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
The Zaz–Ellison Dagger Contest
Warner Bros. Discovery’s most recent S.E.C. filing reveals the latest battle lines between the company and its hostile suitor. In particular, the document evinces a deep distrust of Paramount Skydance’s proposed deal financing, recasting the $108 billion all-cash offer as an $87 billion L.B.O. that could fall apart before closing.
David Zaslav
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
What Is Zaz TV Really Worth?
The battle for Warner Bros. Discovery is increasingly coming down to how Netflix and Paramount Skydance value the declining TV assets (and CNN) that David Zaslav is determined to separate from the Warners mothership. Versant, which just started trading on Nasdaq this week, may provide the answer.
greg abel
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
Make Berkshire Hathaway Great Again?
Greg Abel, the handpicked successor to Warren Buffett, faces one of the most exalted and daunting jobs in finance: determining what to do with the staggering $358 billion bequeathed to him by the most legendary investor of his generation. Herewith, three proposals for what Abel should buy with all that cash.


David Ellison, Larry Ellison
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
Zaz Is From Mars, the Ellisons Are From Venus
Murmurs from sources close to the Warner Bros. Discovery deal illuminate the latest machinations surrounding the Paramount-Netflix showdown—and where this thing is headed.


Get access to this story

Enter your email for a free preview of Puck’s full offering, including exclusive articles, private emails from authors, and more.

Verify your email and sign in by clicking the link we just sent.

Already a member? Log In


Start 14 Day Free Trial for Unlimited Access Instead →



Latest Articles from Wall Street

Larry Ellison
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
“Larry Didn’t Show Up, and David Got Ahead of His Skis”
Everything you wanted to know about the Warner Bros. Discovery board’s doubts with the Ellisons’ bid (but were afraid to ask) is revealed in its 14D-9 filing—a mother lode of alleged Paramount missteps, from squabbles over consent provisions and breakup fee reimbursements to junior lien debt and the financial capacity of the world’s fifth-richest man.
larry ellison david ellison
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
Ellison Irrevocable Trust Issues
Despite their numerous bids for all of WBD, a rift has opened between the principals at Paramount Skydance and the board and advisors of their target company—at least for now. Can money heal all wounds?
larry ellison david ellison
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
The Ellisons at the Gates
Paramount has raised the stakes in its hostile bid for Warner Bros. Discovery, and may yet go higher. Now Netflix must decide how much it wants to venture into junk credit-rating territory, or play games with its stock, to secure the prize.


Larry Ellison, David Ellison
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
Netflix’s $83B Math & The Ellison Hostile Meter
A talmudic reading of the mishegas following the $83 billion Netflix-WBD deal: Zaz’s personal economics; the likelihood that this turns hostile; the unusual consortium of banks underwriting the deal; the value of the Gunnar stub; regulatory open questions; the $5.8 billion breakup fee; and more.
Leon Black
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
The Epstein Monologues
The recently released, one-sided correspondence between Jeffrey Epstein and Leon Black illustrates a discourse between a hustler and a billionaire with too much money and too little time on his hands. So why couldn’t Black get rid of him sooner?
Mike Mayo
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
Wall Street Enters the “Cockroach” Wars
The multitrillion-dollar growth of private credit is fueling an acrimonious debate on Wall Street over whether this surging shadow market is the future of finance or the seed corn of the next crisis. Is Rowan right? Or Dimon? Or Gundlach? As Mike Mayo put it, someone is wrong.


david zaslav
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
Zaz the World Turns
News, notes, and palace intrigues from all sides of what might become the largest M&A deal of the year: the three-way tussle for David Zaslav’s Warner Bros. Discovery.
Get access to this story

Enter your email to get access to one article and free previews of our private emails from Puck authors and editors.

OR

Already a Member? Sign in



Latest Articles from Wall Street

wall street 1929
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
The Spirit of ’29
Financial history doesn’t repeat itself, but it does often rhyme. Amid a speculative frenzy, deregulation, trade wars, and a handful of megacaps propping up the markets, some of Wall Street’s brightest minds wonder whether 2026 might resemble 1929.
Marc Rowan
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
Street Credit
A recent string of bankruptcies and defaults suggests some challenges in the seemingly indomitable private credit market. And yet, according to some O.G.s, things have never been better. Apollo’s Marc Rowan lays bare the risks and rewards.
David Ellison
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
Ellisonology 101
In his first earnings call as C.E.O. of Paramount Skydance, David Ellison offered a masterclass in corporate optimism, promising “synergies” and artfully dodging questions about a possible Warner Bros. Discovery takeover. Alas, the time to act is here.


Michael Bloomberg
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
What Does Bloomberg Want for Bloomberg L.P.?
A modest proposal for how New York’s $100 billion man could bequeath his namesake, and its monumental profits in perpetuity.
Jim Chanos
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
The Mag Seven Itch
The market is notching record highs for the so-called Magnificent Seven—or should that be Mag 10?—but a subterranean counternarrative is forming as once-secure food and consumer staples crater, and cracks emerge in the $3 trillion private-credit boom.
Brian Roberts
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
The Brian Roberts–WBD Bull Case
A new analyst note highlights a heightened sense around Wall Street that Comcast co-C.E.O. Brian Roberts doesn’t merely want WBD, but also truly needs the company—and has a real shot at the asset.


Jamie Dimon
William D. Cohan • November 3, 2021
Jamie’s Castle in the Sky
Dimon’s $3 billion (or maybe as much as $5 billion, really) new headquarters is the physical embodiment of his fortress balance sheet and a metaphor for our fractional banking system. But the seeming permanence of its bronze facade shouldn’t fool old Wall Street hands, who know nothing is forever.


  • Terms
  • Privacy
  • Contact
  • FAQ
  • Careers
© 2026 Heat Media All rights reserved.
Create an account

Already a member? Log In

CREATE AN ACCOUNT with Google
CREATE AN ACCOUNT with Google
OR YOUR EMAIL

OR

Use Email & Password Instead

USE EMAIL & PASSWORD
Password strength:

OR

Use Another Sign-Up Method

Become a member

All of the insider knowledge from our top tier authors, in your inbox.

Create an account

Already a member? Log In

Verify your email!

You should receive a link to log in at .

I DID NOT RECEIVE A LINK

Didn't get an email? Check your spam folder and confirm the spelling of your email, and try again. If you continue to have trouble, reach out to fritz@puck.news.

CREATE AN ACCOUNT with Google
CREATE AN ACCOUNT with Google
CREATE AN ACCOUNT with Apple
CREATE AN ACCOUNT with Apple
OR USE EMAIL & PASSWORD
Password strength:

OR
Log In

Not a member yet? Sign up today

Log in with Google
Log in with Google
Log in with Apple
Log in with Apple
OR USE EMAIL & PASSWORD
Don't have a password or need to reset it?

OR
Verify Account

Verify your email!

You should receive a link to log in at .

I DID NOT RECEIVE A LINK

Didn't get an email? Check your spam folder and confirm the spelling of your email, and try again. If you continue to have trouble, reach out to fritz@puck.news.

YOUR EMAIL

Use a different sign in option instead

Member Exclusive

Get access to this story

Create a free account to preview Puck’s full offering, including exclusive articles, private emails from authors, and more.

Already a member? Sign in

Free article unlocked!

You are logged into a free account as unknown@example.com

ENJOY 1 FREE ARTICLE EACH MONTH

Subscribe today to join the inside conversation at the nexus of Wall Street, Washington, A.I., Hollywood, and more.

START 14-DAY FREE TRIAL

  • Daily articles and breaking news
  • Personal emails directly from our authors
  • Gift subscriber-only stories to friends & family
  • Unlimited access to archives
  • Bookmark articles to create a Reading List
  • Quarterly calls with industry experts from the power corners we cover